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Comparaison OCS Tunisia / Tunisia II
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Auteur:  Stephan [ Mar 12 Sep 2017 21:49 ]
Sujet du message:  Comparaison OCS Tunisia / Tunisia II

J'ai fait un comparatif des OOB et valeurs des unités entre le jeu Tunisia d'origine et le nouveau Tunisia II.
J'ai posté le détail sur Consimworld:
[url]http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@@.ee6b471/55035
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post #52688 pour l'Allemand
post #52689 pour le Commonwealth
post #52690 pour le français

les autres vont suivre...

Je vais comparer les cartes après.

Auteur:  rulx [ Mar 12 Sep 2017 22:30 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Comparaison OCS Tunisia / Tunisia II

Les évolutions semblent plus proches de l'histoire ?

Auteur:  Stephan [ Mer 13 Sep 2017 07:18 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Comparaison OCS Tunisia / Tunisia II

Oui elles sont toutes historiques.
Les nouvelles unités ou celles éliminées par rapport au jeu d'origine sont correctes. En fait il y avait eu un errata d'OOB pour Tunisia (I) paru plusieurs années plus tard qui corrigeait les erreurs pour le Commonwealth. Par contre il subsistait des erreurs pour l'américain qui avait trop de Tank Battalion qui hisotriquement n'ont pas participé à la campagne de Tunisie, soit ils restaient en Algérie soit ils sont arrivés plus tard et ont été engagés en Italie pour le première fois.

Concernant les modifications d'AAR elles m'ont l'air aussi historique mais c'est plus difficile à dire. C'est normal que le français n'ait plus autant d'unités à AR 5 (il en avait plus que l'anglais ou l'américain). L'italien voit une baisse de ses meilleures unités Bersaglieri qui ne sont plus à AR 4 mais les 8ème et 10ème régiments de Bersaglieri nouvellement reconstitués n'avaient plus la qualité, moral, discipline de ceux en Afrique du Nord en 1941-42.

Auteur:  rulx [ Mer 13 Sep 2017 08:41 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Comparaison OCS Tunisia / Tunisia II

"The new units or those eliminated from the original game are correct. In fact an OOB errata for Tunisia (I) appeared several years later which corrected mistakes for the Commonwealth. Errors remained for the Americans who had too many Tank Battalions. They historically did not participate in the Tunisia campaign, they either remained in Algeria or arrived later and were engaged in Italy for the first time.

Concerning the modifications of AAR they seem to me historical but it is more difficult to say. It is normal that the French do not have that many AR 5 units (they had more than the English or Americans). The Italians see his best Bersaglieri units lowered who are no longer AR 4. The newly reconstituted 8th and 10th Bersaglieri regiments did not have the quality, moral, discipline of those in North Africa in 1941-42."


Merci pour les commentaires : cela peut aussi intéresser les lecteurs anglophones.

Auteur:  joma [ Mer 13 Sep 2017 12:18 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Comparaison OCS Tunisia / Tunisia II

Franchement vu ce qu'on lit sur ce forum, qui dans OCS s'intéresse aux OB ? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

PS : Les marseillais pas la peine de répondre, c'est juste pour la déconne.

Auteur:  Stephan [ Ven 15 Sep 2017 22:18 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Comparaison OCS Tunisia / Tunisia II

Ben moi :)
Dans tous les jeux. C'est d'autant plus vrai quand c'est une ré-édition qui est censée apporter des erratas. J'ai fait un document d'OOB sur la campagne de Tunisie qui fait 40 pages, pour ceux que ça intéresse, ils peuvent me contacter par mp.

Auteur:  Stephan [ Sam 16 Sep 2017 17:07 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Comparaison OCS Tunisia / Tunisia II

Re-bonjour,
vous allez me trouver fou maniaque, mais après comparé les OOB, j'ai fait une comparaison exhaustive des différences de carte et terrains entre les deux versions.
Cela peut être utile à ceux qui se posent des questions sur a différence entre les jeux.

Je viens de les poster sur Consimworld et vais recopier ici. Désolé, si c'est en anglais, je ne me sens pas de tout retraduire.

Auteur:  Stephan [ Sam 16 Sep 2017 17:08 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Comparaison OCS Tunisia / Tunisia II

Summary:
The cities, villages, point of interests, roads, are all located in the same hexes. Some location names have changed, most of the times to correct spelling, otherwise to adopt the French colonial name.
All AEP distances from Algiers and Sicily or Tripoli are unchanged. Only the AEP at Cap Bon has been removed for the reasons explained in the errata (to prevent building an air base at half-range from Sicily).
The main change is that many secondary roads, even some primary roads, have been downgraded to trails all over the map. Some of these changes are in areas where key parts of the battles were fought and this will affect the game (making it more historical, i.e. slower to progress through). This is the case for example around Kasserine, Tebourba, or around Gafsa and the Tebaga gap. A few new trails have been added for historical accuracy but have negligible effect on the game.
Many new Points of Interest have been created. Several existing PoI have been upgraded to villages, or vice-versa – but less often - villages downgraded to PoI (along the coast on the southern map).
Port capacities have all been downgraded (in average by a factor of two).
All the changes are historical.

Auteur:  Stephan [ Sam 16 Sep 2017 17:08 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Comparaison OCS Tunisia / Tunisia II

Map A:

Port capacities:
• Philipeville (A6.25): downgraded from 1 to 2T.
• Bône (A17.26): downgraded from 2 to 1 with a Port Cap & Damage Track.
• Tabarka (A30.26): downgraded from 1 to 2T.
• Bizerte (A44.31): downgraded from 6 to 2 with a Port Cap & Damage Track.
• Ferryville (A43.30) is now a port with a 2T capacity.
• Tunis (A48.24): downgraded from 6 to 4 with a Port Cap & Damage Track.
• Kelibia (A60.25): downgraded from 1 to 2T.
• Hammamet (A54.19): downgraded from 1 to 2T.
• Sousse (A54.11): downgraded from 2 to 1 with a Port Cap & Damage Track.
• Mahdia (A60.06): downgraded from 1 to 2T.
• Chebba (A61.03): downgraded from 1 to 2T.

Auteur:  Stephan [ Sam 16 Sep 2017 17:09 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Comparaison OCS Tunisia / Tunisia II

Map A:

Village/PoI change or terrain changes:
• Philipeville is now a Village (vs. simple Point of interest).
• Bône is now a city (vs. simple Point of interest).
• Village Oumel Boughi (A8.11) is renamed Canrobert.
• Point of interest Bin Beida (A12.11) is renamed Aïn Beida and the hex intersection road is moved one hex west to A11.10.
• Point of interest Meskiana (A15.08) is changed to La Meskiana.
• Point of interest El Kouif (A24.06) has disappeared.
• Point of interest Tamlouka (A9.15) is renamed Montcalm.
• Point of interest Jemmapes (A9.23) is new.
• Point of interest Barral (A17.22) is new.
• Point of interest Laverdure (16.19) at the intersection of two primary roads is new.
• Point of interest Rhardimaou (A25.20) is renamed Ghardimaou.
• Point of interest Ksour (A31.12) disappeared, but it was in the same hex as Ebba-Ksour (A31.12) which is upgraded to a village.
• Point of interest Pichon is moved from hex A44.07 to A43.09. Point of interest Fondouk (A43.07) is new, located just one hex west of the former Pichon hex.
• Point of interest Ousseltia (A43.13) is new, at the intersection of trails.
• Point of interest Souk el Khemis (A32.21) is new.
• Point of interest Thibar (A34.20) has disappeared.
• Point of interest Teboursouk (A36.19) is now a Village.
• Point of interest Bédja (A35.18) is now a Village, renamed Beja.
• Point of interest Sedjenane (A36.28) is new.
• City Bizerte (A44.31) is downgraded to a Village.
• Tunis has a second city hex in A49.24.
• Village Hammam Lif (A50.23) is new.
• Point of interest Marsa (A50.25) is now a Village and renamed La Marsa.
• Point of interest Depienne (A47.22) is new.
• Village Gombalia (A52.22) is new.
• Village Menzel Temime (A58.24) is new.
• Point of interest and port Hammamet (A54.19) is now a Village.
• Point of interest Bir Bourekba (A52.18) is new.
• Village Kalaa Kebira (A52.12) is new.
• Point of interest Masken (A53.10) is now a Village, renamed M'saken.
• Point of interest Kairouan (A48.09) is now a Village.
• Point of interest Djemmal (A55.09) is new.
• Village Moknine (A58.08) is new.
• Point of interest and port Mahdia (A60.06) is now a Village.
• Point of interest Ksour Essaf (A59.05) is now a Village.
• Point of interest Ej Djem (A55.04) is now a Village.
• Point of interest and port Chebba (A61.03) is now a Village.
• Point of interest Kasserine (A31.01) is now a Village.

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